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Message: 6447
Author: Daniel
Date: 13/06/2008
Subject: Re: "It's Wet Jelly" - Daniel's review
--- In manicminerandjetsetwilly@yahoogroups.com, "equin0x80"
wrote:
> I noticed in your RZX that you used a few tricks I didn't consider,
Hi Paul,
> e.g. extra-high jumps off some ramps, but nothing that spoiled my
> planned route *except* in one room: "Did he ever turn?".
>
> In that room, I thought it was impossible to reach the lower item
> compartment without coming from "Otter ore" on the right (which is
> also hard, but possible); however, you managed to time a perfect jump
> past the magenta pencil and get in there. You also sneaked onto the
> conveyor without going all the way from the left-hand side; I
> intended the player to have to jump against the ceiling to stand
> still and wait for that enemy to pass.
I am glad I have managed to find a couple of small loopholes in your
game. It is very gratifying for the player to spot something which the
author of the game didn't notice. At the same time, I'm glad I haven't
found any real problems, so that the game doesn't need any fixing :-) .
--- In manicminerandjetsetwilly@yahoogroups.com, "equin0x80"
wrote [responding to Daniel's question about having to lose one life in
the room "Blind jeweler veers into hive" (40)]:
> Actually, you *can* get back down. See if you can work it out!
Okay, I have spent some time now analising (again) the problem, but I
still cannot find any solution.
The problem is this: obviously you can go down if you manage to place
yourself inside the hive at the same level as the ledge on which the
lowermost item sits (i.e. one row above the Fire-cell). Then you can
either simply drop down onto the stump where the ramp is (because you
are only four rows above it) or make a spectacular jump through an
innocent-looking block - the edge of the left-hand side ledge - and
land safely below. However, for either option you have to be inside the
hive on the same level as the the lower right-hand side ledge.
A jump to get there is possible from two positions: when you stand
above the "t" in the word "into" with your legs spread wide apart,
facing left obviously, or from the next position to the right (legs
spread just a little bit). If you jump closer to the left, you land
inside the hive one row above (and then you die falling onto the stump
where the ramp is, because you are 5 rows above it). If you jump from
farther to the right, you die because you don't reach the hive at all
and fall down onto the red insect guardian.
So the only possible solution I can see is by jumping from the ledge in
question, from the position: legs spread wide apart, facing left,
standing above the "t" in "into", right before the "blind jeweller"
guardian. However, this jump seems to me to be impossible, as the tip
of the "blind jeweller"'s cane always kills you. I have tried it many
times and I don't think it's possible, unless the jump has to be pixel
perfect and I'm not getting it.
If this is the right solution, could you confirm it, please, Paul? (and
I will keep trying to make a perfect jump). Or is this not the right
way and there's some other kind of trick involved somewhere else?
I look forward to your hints :-)
Daniel
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